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I disagree vehemently, because ranked voting is ultimately anti-democratic, but for the reason cited here.

Much better would be a two stage election, with a runoff between the top two, or a three stage with first the top three or four, then the top two of those. Essentially the first election would become a national primary not run by just the two parties, but contested by as many as think they have a chance of being winnowed in to the next round.

The advantages are several. First, it would undermine the lock grip of the two party system even more so than RCV, as party organizations would no longer control who the finalists might be.

Second, the main problem with RCV is that a voter must make choices before knowing who the finalists are. By having a runoff, every voter gets a real second choice based on the availability of the remaining options. IN RCV, as the example in this article illustrates, the expectation still is that the two major parties are finalists, so the Greens, Libertarians, Socialists, etc ultimately can only choose D or R. The second choice for each is almost a foregone conclusion, so it not in fact challenge the supremacy of the existing ruling parties.

In a truly open primary across the board, any factions both outside and within the two current major parties might emerge with a real chance at the big prize, which will be decided finally by a majority in a binary choice. Applying that to the 2016 election, for instance might have given us four reasonably viable choices from which to choose. Why should Bernie drop out when he thinks he might have a reasonable chance of doing better than either Trump or HRC? For that matter, the Beltway Republicans who loathed Trump would be highly motivated to test the latter's popularity in e national general election. Would the result have been predictable in such a scenario? And whatever the final outcome the ultimate winner would have genuine credibility as having truly won a plebiscite over plural rounds of elimination.

Third, it would render our current primary system obsolete. Does it make sense, in a vast, diverse society as the US, for two small states to eliminate potentially viable candidates before anybody else had a chance to vote for them? It's preposterous.

Either reform would invite the abolition of the Electoral College, as both rely on a system of elimination as decided by popular vote. Without such an accompanying change, the two major parties would still dominate, soon reverting to their positions of unassailable power.

Any reform carries with it ripple effects of consequences that must be considered before enacting them. And any changes to the electoral system must be achieved by consensus, not, as is currently the case, by one party that felt short-changed by a recent electoral result. Only when the electorate broadly agrees that what we have is inadequate and must be altered, can we proceed in the confidence that it reflects national will. It is for this reason that the Constitution properly requires overlapping super majorities of consent in order to ratify any amendment.

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I was remiss in not prefacing my comments with the observation that i have no opinion on how it worked for Australia, as I have no independent knowledge of that. Happy to take his and your word for that.

But it would not work here, for the reasons I cited. And as for the idea that RCV allows voting "for whom you want" is actually not true, unless you already know who the finalists will be. Otherwise, that second vote will be wasted on another also-ran, and you need not have bothered. As the "finalists" are most likely to be major party candidates, it actually strengthens their monopoly, as voters likely would place their second vote bets with one of them. That might explain why change was slow to come in Oz. Whereas in a runoff schema, it's quite possible that a "third party" candidate is one of the finalists, especially if there is a two tier runoff. So, better to withhold one's vote until one knows the actual choices left. Nor is it either desirable or consistent with our traditions to mandate everyone votes.

Although we can never know that until it's tried, I would guess that fairly quickly, the number of candidates would proliferate, and there would be no reason to assume that major party favorites would be preferred. All the more so if at the same time we abandoned our current byzantine primary and caucus system in favor of a nationwide general election that serves as a national primary, rather than having two rather odd small states limit the field before the vast majority of voters had a chance to choose. And the weakening of our current primary system also would hasten the demise of the parties' monopoly over elections. We'd have a better chance of electing true reformers.

A point I did not mention is that it's useless to project new systems backwards to previous elections. The rules changes themselves would alter the field of viable candidates, not to mention their strategies.

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